Petite Abruzzini

Petite Abruzzini

Date of Interview: July 9, 2008

Male Speaker:  This is an interview with Petite Abruzzini on Wednesday, July 9, 2008, at her home, 1633 Vineyard Avenue, in St. Helena.  We can have some assistance from Suzanne [Indiscernible].  So your father — family were early arrivals in the Napa Valley? Please tell us about their arrival in the Valley and when, how, why?

Petite Abruzzini: I wish I could tell you all that.  But I don’t know — I don’t know my father’s — my father came over from France, just — near Swisswater [ph].  And it’s dates and things like that I do not know. 

Male Speaker:  They came to the Napa Valley in 1929 and I think he [indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, could have.  I mean, just, could have.  Not 1929.  No, it would have to be earlier than that, because I was born in ’28.  Yeah.  It’s got to be earlier than that, my goodness.

Male Speaker:  My math must be wrong then.  I —

Petite Abruzzini: No, it would have to be, like, the — ‘caused she raised the — like, father, grandfather passed away here when he was 50.  And she raised the four boys on the ranch.  They have the winery out [indiscernible].  Let’s see if there’s [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  You got this book?  [Indiscernible] wineries? 

Petite Abruzzini: No, I don’t think I do.  For sure, its this right here, it was — well, wait a minute, no, that’s different.  Let’s see, Bronco Swiss Wines [ph] were being exported from the foreign markets a distant [indiscernible] as early as 1883.  So what [indiscernible] is where the winery was, is where my, my parents — my grandparents owned that, including [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Was that on the [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: No, it was in [indiscernible] Valley.  Where the [indiscernible] is?

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: And at [Indiscernible] Winery Mill.

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  But there were four?  Four brothers and —

Petite Abruzzini: Four brothers, right.

Male Speaker:  And they were all in Napa Valley?

Petite Abruzzini: All Napa Valley.  Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  What were the other brothers’ names?

Petite Abruzzini: The oldest one is Jules [ph].  He was — and then, Charlie [ph], Louie — Louis [ph], and then Albert [ph].  So —

Male Speaker:  And they —

Petite Abruzzini: They were all born here. 

Male Speaker:  How did they — did they live in this area?

Petite Abruzzini: Yes, let’s see, Jules moved to San Francisco after, you know, being — I think he went to college.  [Indiscernible].  And he worked for [Indiscernible] in San Francisco.  And he married a girl from San Francisco. [Indiscernible]. Anyway, and then, my father, and Louie, and Charlie all, we worked the ranch. 

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.  And we had the winery [indiscernible] it was called the [indiscernible], the Bedster [ph] — Bredmidster [ph]; Charles [Indiscernible] and Fred [Indiscernible] of the Swiss/Italian [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].  I’ve never heard —

Petite Abruzzini: And there was also another one, it was called George Kushaw [ph].  [Indiscernible].  I remember my parents talking about it.  But I didn’t — he may have [indiscernible] and the company, [indiscernible], that’s what it was called.  It was a [indiscernible] stone winery and [indiscernible].  How long they had it, I wish I knew all that stuff.

Male Speaker:  And you —

Petite Abruzzini: You know we never talked about things like that.  I don’t know why.  Because [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Were you born on the [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: I was born in [Indiscernible], right there.  Now, this one here.  And Mary Louise [ph] was born in San Francisco. 

Male Speaker:  Oh, she was?  Okay. 

Petite Abruzzini: San Francisco.  And I was born there in [Indiscernible].  And we moved into Saint Helena, when [Indiscernible] was six months or seven months.  And [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  And your maiden name?

Petite Abruzzini: Alfred [ph] [Indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  Can you tell us something about growing up in Saint Helena?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].  It was wonderful.  It was a small town.  We knew everybody; never locked our doors, windows.  I don’t think we even had a key.  I know we had, I think we had a skeleton key.

Male Speaker:  Where did you meet Jack?

Petite Abruzzini: High school.  Well, I saw him before.  He used to — well, [indiscernible] Academy.  But I did know him much more — later [indiscernible].  Riding down the [indiscernible].  You know that road that [indiscernible].  He’d ride his bike down there and [indiscernible] houses.  Backed up to the back yard.  I said, “Oh, he’s cute.”

Male Speaker:  Do you remember the year?

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, my gosh.  [Indiscernible], probably 15.  And we went together to high school.  So the — in those days, you didn’t go on a date.  You just sort of pushed together [indiscernible].  And there was hunting and fishing, you know.  I hated to go to the school dances and whatever.  [Indiscernible].  We would ride our bikes all over and we knew the   [indiscernible].  They’re always running to us.  And, Mr. [Indiscernible] would throw eggs at us.  One of my — no, it wasn’t my first job.  My first job was with [Indiscernible] Smith.  We delivered like a register all over town.  He took us way down on [Indiscernible] Street, you know, [indiscernible] Lane and up to [indiscernible].  And then we’d go back to [Indiscernible] and lay on the cold floor.  And he’d give us something cold to drink.  And then after that, after I got my license, I delivered groceries with him.  Oh, it was — the single life was great. 

Male Speaker:  Do you remember some of the people that you delivered to?

Petite Abruzzini: Sure, Elsie Wood [ph], Palmers [ph], Graffs [ph].  I would always bring groceries into the houses.  There was this elderly lady on Stockton [ph].  We would bring it in and unload it.  She asked if we would put things away for her and I did, you know.  I’d do things, like, that.  They’d tease me about it.  Worked at the cemetery; raked leaves for years.  All weekends.  Yeah, we did the [indiscernible], before they have a Memorial Day and all that John Smith [ph] and I, and Mark Alexander [ph], we’d go out and rake leaves.  Pile them up and burn them.  In fact, that’s where I learned to drive [indiscernible] is there.  What do you call them?   [Indiscernible].  I’d say, [indiscernible].  And you double shifted.  You know, you had your pedals, like, it was [indiscernible].  We didn’t have a lot of things, but we — and we’d all from [indiscernible] go to — went down the alley to the [indiscernible].  And wait for my father to come home and bring [indiscernible].  Every day and you’d write on [indiscernible].  He’d call it a [indiscernible].  Those were, you know, good times.  Good times.  I like those times better than these times for raising children.

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: And things were safe. 

Male Speaker:  And your first child was —

Petite Abruzzini: Nancy [ph].

Male Speaker:  Born in?

Petite Abruzzini: February, ’51.  [Indiscernible] Hospital.

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.  Next?

Petite Abruzzini: And that was Bruce, ’53.  March of ’53.  [Indiscernible] Hospital.  [Indiscernible].  Yeah.  It was all wooden and —

Male Speaker:  And you’ve spent some time as a beautician?

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  When was that?  Right out of high school?

Petite Abruzzini: No, I went to school [indiscernible], in ’47 — ’48.  And then came back and had to get my — had to work a year to get your license.  Well, you pass the test, the State Boards, and then you get your license.  We had to work a year.  Then you could manage a shop.  So I worked it out.  [Indiscernible] plenty of — quite a few years, but then, Nancy came along, so she was [indiscernible].  Then managed it for a while, you know.  It’s hard to get people in those days.  It’s not like now.  It was real good.

Male Speaker:  Where was the shop?

Petite Abruzzini: It was right there on Penn Avenue.  Let’s see, what’s — [indiscernible] used to be in there.

Male Speaker:  Oh, yeah.

Petite Abruzzini: What else?  [Indiscernible].  Of course, I’m not — what was the name of them?

Male Speaker:  It was the closest one to the parking lot, isn’t it?

Petite Abruzzini: Correct.  Actually, what did I charge, $2.50 for a haircut and wash.  Hair cut was $1.75. 
UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUAL:  Not anymore.  I’ve done it.  It costs $50.00.  Manicures were $2.00. 

Male Speaker:  The hotel?  Now, that was called the?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  It was the Valley?

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  And how long did you and Jacqueline [ph] [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Maybe 20 years.  Most likely, 20 years.  It was 20 years.  [Indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  You had a manager?

Petite Abruzzini: Yes, we had some [indiscernible].  And that hotel was on the corner of Hunt [ph] and Main [ph].

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh. 

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].  [Indiscernible], yeah.  It was nice. 

Male Speaker:  What was your and Jack’s social life like [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Our social life?  Like clubs and [indiscernible].
JACK:  No, we were not club people.

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible] the children’s store to help, whatever.  Jack was not a club person.  [Indiscernible].  And wherever [indiscernible] in those days.  

Male Speaker:  Did you ever go to —

Petite Abruzzini: All games. 

Male Speaker:  Were you ever — did you ever go down to Hunts Grove [ph] when they had events down in the Grove?

Petite Abruzzini: No.

Male Speaker:  No?  You did not?

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-uh.  Not at all.  [Indiscernible].  That was in what year? 

Male Speaker:  Well, I think they had things in Hunt’s Grove [ph] in the brief 30’s — 40’s.

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.

Male Speaker:  Probably, you were too young.

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  Yeah.  [Indiscernible].  It was like, music and things. 

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  The best parties.  Way down at the end of Hunt Avenue [ph].  They, in fact, I think that’s where the name [indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, that’s right.  They said they moved down.  That’s way before my time.

Male Speaker:  Yeah.  [Indiscernible].  Yes, yes. 

Petite Abruzzini: Well, I mean, [indiscernible].  Look how old I am now.  [Indiscernible].  I mean, just think, that’s many years ago.

Male Speaker:  Right. 

Petite Abruzzini: I mean, I might not even remember, so — we’re old timers.

Male Speaker:  Yeah.

Petite Abruzzini: Oh geez.  Well, anyway —

Male Speaker:  When did Jack go into farming?

Petite Abruzzini: He went into farming — when he went into farming right after high school.  But before — even before he graduated.  And then he went to Davis.

Male Speaker:  That’s right.

Petite Abruzzini: And then he just — he didn’t finish Davis.  He only got two semesters in; two or three [indiscernible] and [indiscernible].  There was too many people there. 

Male Speaker:  Did he [indiscernible] for other people or just —

Petite Abruzzini: Yes, he, no, he, oh, my gosh, he did, a lot of them.  It was [indiscernible] and he had [indiscernible].  He did [indiscernible], oh, my gosh, what were those people — Mrs. Riack [ph].  And the one up on the [indiscernible] Street, the [indiscernible], what’s [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: No, [indiscernible] in town.  Who’s the one up on — Silver Springs [ph].  It’s called the [Indiscernible] something.  He used to do that.  That was his very first tractor job.  And then he went to, people who lived around here.  He did theirs.

Male Speaker:  Sanders [ph]?

Petite Abruzzini: Sanders.  He did those for years, Sanders.  And who else did he —

Male Speaker:  Didn’t he do some around Rutherford [ph] or Oaksville [ph] or did you tell [indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: No, that would be [indiscernible].  That we used to [indiscernible] the ranch. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: Hoping to [indiscernible].  And then we had a [indiscernible] down in [indiscernible].  [Indiscernible] down there; a cattle ranch.  And the Jacksey [ph] ranch.  And I think that was it. 

Male Speaker:  Riack? 

Petite Abruzzini: Riack.

Male Speaker:  Can you tell me, is it R-I-A-C-K?

Petite Abruzzini: C-H.

Male Speaker:  C-H?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  Oh, I remember that, yes, yes.

Petite Abruzzini: And Patton was P-A-T-T-O-N.

Male Speaker:  Okay.  Thank you very much.

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].  What do you think about St. Helena [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Well, [indiscernable] is okay for me.  I mean, it’s just, it’s the way it is, helpless.  What are you going to do?  But it’s a shame.  You know, we come from the old days and how great it was, and the people you knew.  And people would do anything for you.  I mean, they, you know, it’s, I don’t know, just — [indiscernible] going uptown to [indiscernible].  And you [indiscernible].  It’s all [indiscernible].  No, it, what can you say?   It’s just, the way [indiscernible].  So, and they [indiscernible] with their places, and I hate to see the mountains turn up the vineyard, but, what can you do about it?  Nothing.  So we go with it.  And be happy about it.  It’s just; I think it’s hard for other children, like, our children to come back here.  It’s almost impossible.  If we didn’t own property in Napa, Nancy wouldn’t have been able to come back.  [Indiscernible] little houses.  And Bruce moved away, ‘cause — and it’s just crazy.  And it’s just — and it’s not going to get any better. 

Male Speaker:  Is there anything else —

Petite Abruzzini: It’s okay.  I mean, it’s — like I say, I’m proud of my [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: We do have grandchildren coming up.   Yeah, we do.  And it’s like you say, your children can’t afford to [indiscernible] because they bought property next to ours.  And, you know, the younger generation can’t afford it.  It’s part of the prices. 

Male Speaker:  Yeah.

Petite Abruzzini: You know, I mean, and it’s sad that they can’t come back.  Yes, it is.

Male Speaker:  I’m sure they won’t [indiscernible]. 

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].  He’s very happy.  He got there.  Oh, my gosh, he says, relax.  His knees are better.

Male Speaker:  That’s good.

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, yeah.  And his place is open. 

Male Speaker:  So do you travel?   Do you —

Petite Abruzzini: Travel?  Jack and I did a lot of traveling.  Not a lot, I mean, we just travel in the winter, because we go to Mexico.  We make it to Mexico a lot; different times.  Right, Ken [ph]?  And then, Tahiti and Hawaii.  And then with Nancy we’ve gone to — we’ve gone to New York on weekends, and to Hawaii.  But there, you know, [indiscernible].  We’ve gone up to the Dakotas.  And did a lot of — a lot of United States travel.  Not so much here. 

Male Speaker:  Do you remember during World War II a little way, a little [indiscernible]?  Did you have a lot of hardships or —

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.  We did.

Male Speaker:  Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Petite Abruzzini: Oh yeah, we rationed, sugar and the lights, and [indiscernible].  And we had to keep things dark and meat was very limited.  And my mother was on the ration work.  And that didn’t help.  And we didn’t suffer, really.  You know, it’s just the, I think when you ration these things; I think you’re taught to be careful. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: And then you live like that.  And shoes, that’ right, you can only get, like, one pair of shoes.  You know, it was, I don’t think they had nylons in those days. 

Male Speaker:  Sugar?  

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, yeah, sugar.  Yeah, definitely.  I would tell you something about that, but I don’t want it taped. 

Male Speaker:  Well, we’ll turn it off. 

Petite Abruzzini: And Jack had — we first started off with 22, like, [indiscernible] black angus.  And then Mr. [Indiscernible] gave him the bull.  And, uh, it was, down on the ranch and we had to get property up in — off of [Indiscernible] Road in [Indiscernible] for the winter time.  We just looked and [indiscernible].  And Jack would go out the — coming with his truck with the hay and stuff like that.  And you’d go — make a sound and the cattle would come running toward you, each bed.   You know?  It was fun.  We used to go up there with the kids, and play and on hikes, and take a picnic, and [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  Was Mr. Mardekian — it was Mardekian?

Petite Abruzzini: Mardekian.

Male Speaker:  M-A-R-D-E-K-I-A-N.  And he lived up there on —

Petite Abruzzini: No, he lived over on [Indiscernible]. He’s the gentleman that had Mardekian from San Francisco. 

Male Speaker:  That’s correct.

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, Jack’s father and he were very good friends.

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.  How many head of cattle did you —

Petite Abruzzini: We had 22; 22 [indiscernible].  Yeah.

Male Speaker:  Did Jack grow anything else besides grapes, because in the valley, there used to be lots of [indiscernible] —

Petite Abruzzini: We used to have prunes out in [Indiscernible] Valley.  We used to lease from Ksplumb.  And —

Male Speaker:  Would you spell that for me?

Petite Abruzzini: K-S-P-L-U-M-B. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.  Okay.  And that’s where you had the prunes?

Petite Abruzzini: Yes.  That’s where [indiscernible].  And then we had walnuts up in [Indiscernible] County.  We had walnuts in there.  We leased property up there.   And we’d go up and pick them. 

Male Speaker:  Did you bring them back to [indiscernible] —

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, yeah.

Male Speaker:  Have you ever been — ready to hydrate —

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, we dried them.  No, we’d take them to — oh, those were the prunes.  That was the prunes.  Yeah, that was the prunes.  No, where did the walnuts go?  Walnuts in [Indiscernible]. The [Indiscernible], right, right.  That’s where the walnuts would go.  Then we’d get the [indiscernible] around Oakdale [ph] Place, too.  There’s a lot of walnut trees there.  And so — yeah, it was real busy.

Male Speaker:  Do you remember the prune dehydrator?

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, yeah.  So we took all these prunes to the hydrator.  They were [indiscernible].  That was a very good year for prunes.  I think one time we had to check the [indiscernible].  It cost more to write the check.  The good old days, right?  Yeah, it was fun.  You know, it was — you have your hard and your good times.  But that’s what makes life. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: Anyway, so, and then — you were [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  Pardon?

Petite Abruzzini: Your [indiscernible] had [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  No, we had prunes. 

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible] to any diverse [indiscernible].  It’s all grapes.  Now olives.  We have more olives in the valley now than ever. We had all [indiscernible].  It was just, see them scattered here and there.  We had nothing to — nothing for commercial — but for our own use.  [Indiscernible].  When there’s no worms in them. 

Male Speaker:  Oh?

Petite Abruzzini: Now they have worms.

Male Speaker:  Oh okay.  I didn’t know that.  Is that something new? 

Petite Abruzzini: Something new.  Right. 

Male Speaker:  That’s why you don’t give me any anymore.

Petite Abruzzini: ‘Cause you have all the trees and they have worms too, right?

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible], $30.00 — $40.00.

Petite Abruzzini: Right?  [Indiscernible].  Olives, too.  Oh, my gosh.  [Indiscernible].  Those were the good old days.

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.  I was thinking high school days.

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, high school?  They were fun days.  They were really fun.  We stepped into fun.

Male Speaker:  Teachers — do you remember teachers — favorite teachers?

Petite Abruzzini: My favorite teacher was Ms. Lafile [ph].

Male Speaker:  Lafile?

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.

Male Speaker:  L-A-F-I-L-E?

Petite Abruzzini: Uh-huh.  And she taught gym.  Just —

Male Speaker:  Miss or Mrs?

Petite Abruzzini: Miss.  She had just gotten out of college.  And she was just, like, one of the students. 

Male Speaker:  All right.  And other favorite teachers?

Petite Abruzzini: Mr. Engles [ph].  In [indiscernible] class.  We said [indiscernible].  We talked about football games.  Oh, I think he [indiscernible].  I think he [indiscernible] my bookkeeping teacher was kind of [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Well, was he weird and [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: No, it wasn’t her.  That was Melany Stanford [ph].  Yeah, no, this was, I don’t know the name. [Indiscernible].  Anyway, no, the high school was good.  [Indiscernible].  And we didn’t have any other activities other than in school.  That’s it.

Male Speaker:  Any high school buddies you still see?

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, yes.  Lucille [ph] —

Male Speaker:  Lucille?

Petite Abruzzini: Lucille Camhoto.

Male Speaker:  Camhoto?  How do you spell her last name?

Petite Abruzzini: Camhoto.  C-A-M-H-O-T-O.

Male Speaker:  C-A-M-H-O-T-O?

Petite Abruzzini: Nancy [Indiscernible].  Mary Ann Brendel [ph].  [Indiscernible].  Mary Ann H-O-C-K-I-N-G.

Male Speaker:  Mary Ann Hocking?  H-O-C-K-I-N-G. 

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, her mother. 

Male Speaker:  Mary Ann Brendel?

Petite Abruzzini: Brendel B-R-E-N-D-E-L.  And Lucille’s married name is Smothers S-M-O-T-H-E-R-S.

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah, her kids got the [indiscernible] place in the [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: And then, Nancy Morgan — Nancy Palmer Morgan [ph].  [Indiscernible]. She was my best friend.  [Indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Okay.  You’re giving me a lot of names.

Petite Abruzzini: Betty Peterman [ph], or Betty Freeman [ph]. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.  [Indiscernible]. 

Petite Abruzzini: Mary, she was a lot older. 

Male Speaker:  She was?

Petite Abruzzini: Well, not a lot but [indiscernible].  Well, I can say Martha and [Indiscernible] were about the same age, maybe, yeah.  But we still lived all together [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible] now. 

Male Speaker:  Martha Markado [ph]?

Petite Abruzzini: Martha Alexander [ph]. 

Male Speaker:  Who was Alexander [Indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible], yeah, right.  Oh, that’s a son.  That’s a good [indiscernible].  Beautiful [indiscernible]. Yeah.  [Indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Did Myers [ph] live there when you [indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Myers?  No.  You know who lived in was Derby Wilson [ph].

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: In the first house, right as you’re coming into this — [indiscernible] if you’re coming up Main Street.  You have to first come [indiscernible] second one.  And right after Dr. Burt [ph] [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Right after Dr. Burt, going north?

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.  And he — yeah, and he had a beautiful farm out there.  He thought [indiscernible].  [Indiscernible] could never — we used to play in the — oh, my gosh, that — all that dirt [indiscernible] and they had these rising [indiscernible] trees and — [indiscernible] this.  And down at [Indiscernible], they had enormous Magnolia trees; just huge.  And it’s still there.  I think we used to climb it. 

Male Speaker:  Before we forget, we didn’t get your birth date.

Petite Abruzzini: Oh, August 26th — 28; 1928. 

Male Speaker:  That’s an important thing to have.  [Indiscernible].  Okay.  And can you think of anything else? 

Petite Abruzzini: Can you think of anything else?  I’m trying to think. 

Male Speaker:  We can always go over this.  And we’ll — you’ll be seeing a copy of it, too.

Petite Abruzzini: Okay.

Male Speaker:  And then, if we can fill in with some things —

Petite Abruzzini: Okay.

Male Speaker:  We’ll go over — try to make some more questions and —

Petite Abruzzini: Did you put the year Jack and I were married?

Male Speaker:  No.  The year that they were married, it should be —

Petite Abruzzini: May 8th, ’71.  It was ’69.  May 8th, 1969. 

Male Speaker:  ’69?

Petite Abruzzini: And it was the first wedding in [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible]?

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.  [Indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible] of your dad and you [indiscernible]?  No? 

Petite Abruzzini: It was Richard Egan.  He was a baseball player; a famous baseball player.  And they knew my father’s parents and my mother’s parents in San Francisco.  They all — the family often — there’s pictures.  I should show you those pictures [indiscernible] from San Francisco to a ranch with all dirt.  With big hats and big dresses; oh, my gosh, it must have been [indiscernible].  I think I have pictures here.  [Indiscernible].  And then, that’s how they met and it just went on from there.  My father was in the war.  And he became an interpreter in France.  And then he got — well, he met — they met after the second war.

Male Speaker:  We’re talking World War I, correct?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yeah, after.  And they met after he came back.  And then they bought the ranch.  And they got married and they took care of the ranch.  And my mother knew nothing about cooking or she couldn’t milk — didn’t — she didn’t know milking a cow.  [Indiscernible] that’s what they did in San Francisco.  And she learned — oh, and her [indiscernible] was, my grandmother would do string beans and get her [indiscernible].  They would string them on — with a needle and thread, and hang them from the ceiling.  And they would dry.  And then they put them in these cotton sacks.  And they would hang them in the cellar.  It was a cold cellar in those days.  And then that’s — and then you have your [indiscernible].  Yeah, it was interesting. 

Male Speaker:  I guess.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yeah.  And you’d see the string beans all over.  We had a wood stove.  I — like I said, I couldn’t think of cooking out of a wood stove tonight.

Male Speaker:  We have [indiscernible] crops.  They called it water [indiscernible] in there.  And it was [indiscernible].  Do you know what I’m talking about?

Petite Abruzzini: I do.  [Indiscernible]?

Male Speaker:  [Indiscernible].

Petite Abruzzini: Well, they could have.  I just remember skimming the milk; the cream off the milk and the cottage cheese, yeah, and homemade butter.  I just like the sweet, well it wasn’t sweet butter, it was salted butter.  And then when we moved to town, we had to buy butter and I thought, oh, this is [indiscernible].  I lived on the ranch on — just six years.  And we had chickens and cows and some grapes. 

Male Speaker:  And what did your dad do after he moved to town?

Petite Abruzzini: Then he went to work for a [indiscernible].  She was a [indiscernible].  She was a Russian princess up on [Indiscernible] Trail.  And it was — there was a Christmas Tree Farm up there.  Wait, Branchville [ph], no, not Branchville.

Male Speaker:  Kritchios [ph]?

Petite Abruzzini: Kritchios.  Yeah, well, she owned it first.  And so he went up there and he was [indiscernible].  And he raised [indiscernible] was just [indiscernible].  And then after that, he went to [indiscernible].  And then after that, he retired.  And my mother worked at [Indiscernible] when she first [indiscernible] work.  And then she went to City Hall, and she was City Clerk for, forever.  And I remember [indiscernible].

Male Speaker:  The old City Hall?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].  I think mother didn’t believe the man that took me out.  [Indiscernible] get the car.  So I went and got the car.  And here I drove the car and I didn’t even have a license yet.  See, those days were so good.  So I park it right in [indiscernible].  You know how the City Hall was?  You know the fire department is right there.  [Indiscernible].  I come to pick him up [indiscernible] and everything.  [Indiscernible].  Oh, gosh, I remember those times, I’ll tell you.  I used to play in the creek and I remember Jinks [ph], [Indiscernible] Jinks.  Oh, my gosh.  He was something else.

Male Speaker:  Tell us about Jinks?

Petite Abruzzini: He was a wonderful man; black man.

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: And he came, — he’d come to the ranch.  And he taught me to yodel.  And then, he told me how to make worm soup.  [Indiscernible].  We’d go digging for worms and I’d have that little — in fact it was [indiscernible] and it was a little cast iron stove that he had given to me.  And we put paper, and stuff in there, and [indiscernible] little thing.  Oh, my gosh.

Male Speaker:  Did you eat it?

Petite Abruzzini: I don’t know.  I just remember Jinks.  He was so neat.  We would sit on his lap and he’d yodel and we’d yodel.  I mean, just good times. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: And his wife, oh, my gosh; she was so wonderful.  She was a nurse.  She was such a beautiful person; just unbelievable. 

Male Speaker:  Uh-huh.

Petite Abruzzini: Just to hear my father and [indiscernible].  She was just one special person. 

Male Speaker:  Very kind?

Petite Abruzzini: Yeah.

Male Speaker:  Very good?

Petite Abruzzini: [Indiscernible].  [Indiscernible] Jinks.  We used to play banjo.  My girlfriend would come from a little town [Indiscernible].  [Indiscernible] would do the piano.  Oh, my gosh.  That was so neat.  You know, on the back of the truck, yeah.  [Indiscernible].  Good times.  Very nice.  I had a good life.  No regrets.  Wouldn’t want to change it.  [Indiscernible].  I’d have to live in a [indiscernible].  You know stuff like that.  Those things are out of our control.  And you know, I have been very lucky.  I have beautiful children, grandchildren, [indiscernible].  Great friends [indiscernible]. 

Male Speaker:  Well, that’s great.